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01-07-2008, 12:33 AM
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Exercise was what really really worked
for me. I also joined a PPD support
group, it helped a lot, until near the
end of my PPD (DS was 21 months when I
finally considered myself no longer
dealing with PPD) when it would drag me
down. I treid to go for a walk in a
natural setting each morning. This
"forced" me to get out of bed and I also
would then start my day and do somethign
versus lounging around all day.
I also focused on eating right and
getting lots of water. I read somewhere
about taking magnesium if you eat meat,
as there can be a build up of a hormone
in your liver from it and the magnesium
will help cleanse that. I also take a
Vit B that contains Pantothenic acid. It
is supposed to increase energy and is
and anti-stress vitamin. I notice it
takes me 3 days for the vit b to kick in
but I still take it on a fairly regular
bases.
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Today, 01:44 PM
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please see
www.uniteforlife.org on why meds
make you worse or email me at
amyphilo@yahoo.com
The safety studies are incredibly flawed
see:
http://www.uniteforlife.org/breastfeeding.html
and
http://www.uniteforlife.org/zyprexa%20objection.htm
The label for Zyprexa includes a warning
against nursing an infant while taking
the medication. However, recently Dr.
Thomas Hale and Kathleen Kendall-Tackett
(among others) have encouraged
breastfeeding mothers who experience
psychotic episodes to make their way
immediately to a hospital and get
treatment with Zyprexa without
interrupting breastfeeding. (according
to some sources)...psychotic
breastfeeding mothers can safely
continue nursing while taking Zyprexa if
they avoid feeding during peak plasma
concentration.
What is the likelihood that a doctor
will know when the peak concentration in
a nursing mother will be, when only one
study has been cited by advocates of
this position as an excuse for evidence
of safety, and this was conducted on a
sample with 7 women (only 6 of whom were
"evaluable")? Most breastfeeding studies
have samples this small, even for drugs
like Zoloft, with samples as small as 4
women, and totaling around 30 women in
all. In addition, many studies
purporting to study breastfeeding women
have actually involved mostly women who
were not exclusively breastfeeding, with
the infant who was exclusively breastfed
being the one who experienced seizures
and coma and other serious effects.
Please email me.
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Today, 02:19 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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I'll never understand why people come on
the PPD board to try to talk people out
of taking medication.
It is of course ideal not to have to
take medication, but for many, many
women it is NECESSARY. I don't take
medication for anything unless I
absolutely need to. So when I first
started suffering from PPD/PPOCD, I was
determined not to take any medication
since I am breastfeeding my son. So I
went many months unmedicated (and
started exercising more, eating better,
using Bach's flower essenses, etc.) and
steadily got worse and worse, until I
got to a point where I was on the brink
of becoming mentally unstable. At that
point, I was having anxiety attacks
every day, was depressed and crying
every night, having an incredible amount
of awful intrusive thoughts, etc. It was
the worst thing I have ever gone
through. If I hadn't started taking
medication I would be in a hospital
right now.
So, I got on the lowest dose of Zoloft
and very slowly began to feel better,
but am still struggling a lot of
the time, it's just not nearly as severe
as before. My point of posting all this
was to say that more times than not with
PPD and other PP disorders, medication
is NEEDED for a while.
IMO, people who are completely against
medication to treat PP disorders have
never *had* a severe PP disorder.
~Michele
ETA: By the way, I have been taking
Zoloft since DS was about 10 mo (he is
14 mo now) and he is happy, healthy and
thriving. We are still breastfeeding,
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Today, 03:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Natural Mommy*J
I'll never understand
why people come on the
PPD board to try to talk
people out of taking
medication.
It is of course ideal
not to have to take
medication, but for
many, many women it is
NECESSARY. I don't take
medication for
anything unless I
absolutely need to. So
when I first started
suffering from PPD/PPOCD,
I was determined not to
take any medication
since I am breastfeeding
my son. So I went many
months unmedicated (and
started exercising more,
eating better, using
Bach's flower essenses,
etc.) and steadily got
worse and worse, until I
got to a point where I
was on the brink of
becoming mentally
unstable. At that point,
I was having anxiety
attacks every day, was
depressed and crying
every night, having an
incredible amount of
awful intrusive
thoughts, etc. It was
the worst thing I have
ever gone through. If I
hadn't started taking
medication I would be in
a hospital right now.
So, I got on the lowest
dose of Zoloft and very
slowly began to feel
better, but am still
struggling a lot of the
time, it's just not
nearly as severe as
before. My point of
posting all this was to
say that more times than
not with PPD and other
PP disorders, medication
is NEEDED for a while.
IMO, people who are
completely against
medication to treat PP
disorders have never
*had* a severe PP
disorder.
~Michele
ETA: By the way, I have
been taking Zoloft since
DS was about 10 mo (he
is 14 mo now) and he is
happy, healthy and
thriving. We are still
breastfeeding, almost
exclusively. |
If medication is NEEDED then the
medication should ideally work. This is
not the case. Many people such as myself
take meds and WIND UP going to the
hospital BECAUSE of meds. So you are
right, I have never had a severe
postpartum disorder. But I have had a
severe reaction to a medication
prescribed for a non-existent disorder.
If you are better on meds, you are part
of a very rare and miniscule group who
claim to be better. The vast majority of
people stop taking meds due to side
effects. See the FDA black box warning
for suicidality.
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: U.S.
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Obviously everything I have said has
gone right over your head, or you are
just choosing not to listen. Fine. Maybe
you should reconsider posting in this
forum if you have nothing positive to
offer. Just because you were improperly
diagnosed and you had a reaction to your
meds, that means that everyone else is
misdiagnosed and will too? I don't think
so.
BTW, I know for a fact that you are
incorrect when you say
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If you are better on meds,
you are part of a very rare
and miniscule group who
claim to be better. |
Just
on this board ALONE, I have seen tons of
posts where mamas have said how much
meds have changed and SAVED their lives,
and they are so grateful for that. This
is also true for many I have spoken to
IRL.
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The vast majority of people
stop taking meds due to side
effects
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What kinds of meds? That's a very
general statement to make. There is a
million different kinds of medications.
Do you have proof of this statement? I
highly doubt you are correct in saying
this happens to the "vast majority" of
people.
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Today, 09:28 PM
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You may want to check out the book Let
Them Eat Prozac. Like I said before
www.healyprozac.com
This board is full of people who defend
their meds. That does not mean it is
representative of the population. The
only reason I bothered to post in this
topic was for the original poster who
was looking for someone who had had an
experience without meds.
The FDA would never have issued their
warning without evidence, they have been
under pressure to issue something or ban
the drugs since 1991 and earlier. Also
the Prozac class of drugs (the SSRIs) is
more dangerous than thalidomide.
The primary consideration a drug company
has for developing an antidepressant is
whether it makes a rat aggressive and
violent. I could not make this stuff up
if I tried and I am not scaremongering.
I wish I was wrong. If I were then there
would be many more innocent children
alive today.
Why don't you guys who are on here
bother to look at the original question
of the poster who started the thread?
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Megadoses of vitamin C, make
sure you are eating right so
you don't get hypoglycemia,
make sure you take your
Omega 3 to lower your
tryptophan (deplete your
serotonin) and also go to
doctoryourself.com to read
about pellagra / B vitamins
and ALSO go to
www.abchomeopathy.com
Depression
Depression is a Symptom Not
a Disease
Just because you are
depressed does not mean you
have depression nor does it
mean that you have a
psychiatric disorder.
Hypothyroidism Often
Overlooked
I believe hypothyroidism to
be one of the most commonly
overlooked medical problems.
Individuals have come to me
with a prior diagnosis of
depression. They report
having taken
antidepressants, feeling
better for a short while,
and then experiencing all
the same symptoms again with
greater intensity.
Postpartum Depression Is Not
a Psychiatric Disorder.
A woman’s hormones change
dramatically while she is
pregnant. It should come as
no surprise that the
hormones would change
dramatically again after the
baby is delivered. This
hormonal imbalance is often
referred to as Postpartum
Depression. However, this
condition is not, as is
commonly believed, a
psychiatric disorder. It is
a hormonal imbalance.
http://www.blockcenter.com/ADD_ADHD/Depression.html |
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Today,
09:01 PM
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New
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~Michele
ETA:
By
the
way,
I
have
been
taking
Zoloft
since
DS
was
about
10
mo
(he
is
14
mo
now)
and
he
is
happy,
healthy
and
thriving.
We
are
still
breastfeeding,
almost
exclusively.[/quote]
Hi
All
- I
am
new
to
this
forum
and
do
not
mean
to
intrude
in
anyway
or
discourage
anyone
from
taking
meds
but
rather
to
encourage
you
to
be
informed
of
the
risks
of
taking
an
antidepressant
- ie:
Zoloft
passes
to
the
baby
in
breastmilk
and
your
baby
may
go
through
SSRI
withdrawal
once
you
stop
breastfeeding
him.
This
is
information
that
your
doctor
will
likely
not
tell
you
as
the
pharmaceutical
companies
are
not
required
to
educate
your
doctor
on
this
nor
provide
advertising
to
the
public
that
is
accurate
in
anyway.
For
research
on
the
dangers
of
antidepressants:
http://ssri-research.com
If
you
need
help
tapering
off
meds
if
and
when
you
are
ready
- or
if
your
baby
has
trouble,
additional
information
can
be
found
at:
http://tapersafely.org
I am
one
who
learned
the
hard
way
when
there
was
no
information
available.
Be
safe
and
take
care,
SSRI-Researcher |
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09:08 PM
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#16
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New
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Natural Mommy*J
it is not very common for that to happen, unfortunately. if you are suffering from PPD or you think you may be, please talk to a doctor or therapist. (preferably a therapist, who will also have you talk to a psychiatrist if meds are needed) i hope you feel better soon, mama.  |
http://labelmesane.com
has
resources
to
alleviate
depression
and mood
swings
without
medication.
In
essence,
one
needs to
raise
levels
of
glutathione
and take
a
sufficient
amount
of
Omega-3
fatty
acids
[much
more
than
what is
on the
jar].
One can
alleviate
their
depression
with
these
natural
means in
the same
time it
can take
to get
on
Zoloft
and,
with the
Label Me
Sane
protocol,
there is
no harm
to baby
through
breastmilk
-
instead,
the baby
is even
more
nourished
with
essential
nutrients.
Give
them a
call -
they are
a
wonderful
resource.
Can also
guide
people
off meds
if they
so
choose.
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Today,
09:12 PM
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What
about
the
innocent
children
that
have
been
KILLED
by
their
moms
who
had
PP
depression
or
psychosis
and
were
UNMEDICATED
for
it?
--
you
will
find
that
the
moms
killing
their
children
are
on
cocktails
of
psychotropic
medications.
Andrea
Yates
was
drugged
up
the
you-know-what
by
her
prescribing
psychiatrists.
She
was
on
so
many
drugs
it
is
no
wonder
she
walked
around
her
house
in a
stupor.
This
is
manslaughter
but
not
by
Ms.
Yates,
but
by
her
MDs.
It
is
in
every
single
headline...
"being
treated
for
depression"....
Tragically,
you
will
find
many
examples
here:
http://ssristories.com
Unfortunately,
I
know
far
too
much
on
this
subject
matter
and
have
far
too
much
research
to
substantiate
my
claims. |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Natural Mommy*J
ok, then. i still stand by everything i say. i do think that medication in general is overprescribed, but a mama that is suffering from a pp disorder probably will need medication. in the rare case they don't, that's great. it's all about the benefits vs. the risks, and if you are suffering needlessly, it is okay to be on medication. in my case for example (and this is the case for many, many other mamas too), the benefits of the medication are way higher than the possible risks.
and i want to repeat once again, we are breastfeeding still and my son is healthy and thriving. this is the case for all the mamas i have spoken to as well that have been on zoloft in the past or are currently on it.
~michele
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I would add that ideally, you would have been given a choice of a natural solution in addition to a chemical solution... then you could have chosen. The larger issue is about informed consent and whether you were truly informed of the dangers of these drugs. There are many who cannot metabolize the drugs due to a genetic issue who go into psychosis from SSRIs. There is a simple and inexpensive blood test that should be performed PRIOR to any prescribing of these meds to avoid this extremely dangerous reaction. Anyone considering antidepressant medication should request this blood test before taking any meds. It tests the CYP450 pathway. Genelex, a lab, performs this test.
The issue is really all about safety to the mother and newborn rather than any kind of judgment... it is about the MD's who don't give choices or cautionary information so the Mom is best protected.
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That
Moderator
of Birth
and
Beyond,
Birth
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Homebirth,
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medication"
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recovering without medication
DO NO HARM Say no to drugs
Michele
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SAH student
Mama to my sweet
[14 month old] baby
boy
& Wife to a great man
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wife to
mom to
12/02/05 and
due November 2007